from what I have seen this season there is simply no chance of us getting into the Champs League, no way. We have fallen short more or less every week this season, we have underperformed and no amount of money will get us there. I wish fans would stop going on about 4th and giving ammo to all the Spurs haters out there. 5th or 6th is the best we can hope for but Everton will be stronger then us next year. We live in hope

In a word no becuase who despite Ramos may bring in they will need time to settle.

I would love Spurs to finish fourth next season but to honest I can't see it happening. We finished 30 points off 4th this year which shows the gap is just to big. Unless we sign four or five world class players it won't happen for us. The defence is not strong enough to start with, we also need a new keeper. Then the midfield needs to be sorted, not to mention replacing Berba if he goes. Top five and a cup I think folks...to get in the Champs league you need world class players, but then world class players won't join us because we are not playing in the competition!

Id like to think its possible, lets face it, this year with the exception of the Carling Cup was a shambles and it pretty much all stemmed from the [*@!$] up with Jol. Last season we were a solid 5th and lets not forget the season before we only missed the 4th spot due to no less then half the squad being deathly ill. We have the talent to beat just about anyone if confidence is up plus Ramos will move things around, build his own squad and he knows how to win. We cant possibly have a season as bad as the first half of this one was so if we get off to a strong start then im betting yes 4th place is possible. P.s dont forget there are going to be problems next season at Arsenal and Liverpool.

Man U and Chelsea will be the top two as they have too much of a lead on the rest of the prem. Arsenal have been severely hamstrung by their financial situation. Major European clubs are able to lure away some of their top talent and as we have seen this season they do not have the depth in their squad as it is. If they do not get decent replacements in and suffer from the same injury problems to a couple of key players they will be out of the top four. If this happens they will struggle to keep Cesc beyond next season. This is unfortunate for Wenger but not as a result of as i believe like Fergie he is a manager that players want to play for. Liverpool are over rated at the moment and have done better than they probably should have done and are the most likely to drop out of the top four. Everton with a couple more quality signings are a good bet to step up. Man city are a possibility, with the right manager who can attract top talent and the money they have to go into the market with are a good outside bet. Tottenham will need time even with new signings although i think top seven is there for them dependent on the business they do in the transfer window. Ramos has the nouse to compete on a tactical level he justs needs to form his own squad, any top four talk should wait for two seasons at least. And as for you Bent Bashers wait and see - if he moves on you will see him score plenty and become the class player he is threatening to be.